What did Dan Hannan MEP & Vote Leave actually want?

(Remainers) would be on much stronger ground is in trying to work with us on a new post EU consensus. I have to accept that this was a narrow outcome, 48.1% represents a very large majority (sic) … the result exercises a measure of temperance on us, of moderation.

So those of us on the winning side need to listen particularly to the concerns that our remain voting friends raised…to see if we can’t reach a position that is capable of uniting the majority of people in Britain. It may too far for some, it may not go far enough for others but something that both sides can at least live with.

Dan Hannan, MEP and leading Brexiteer, July 27th 2016.

A plea to Remainers to work with the winning side to reach a compromise.  A commendable recognition of the 48.1% and an effort to build bridges, to meet in the middle.  He says these words 1 min 46 seconds in on the video below.

 

He does it again here on a Newsnight interview the night after the result, 1 minute in, when he says that the Leave voters:

have to be cognizant of the extent to which opinion is divided, we have to try and carry as many remain voters with us, and that may well mean that quite a lot of the existing arrangements will stay in place

The interviewer Evan Davies then asks him “Do you support the Norway model for the UK” and Hannan replies “not exactly the Norway model” before going on to describe pretty much the Norway model including, critically, Free Movement (he says “of Labour” rather than people, but it’s a known fact that Norway has free movement of people and more immigrants per capita than the UK).  Again, the implication is clear – it was a close result, many people voted for Remain, we should respect that and go for something like Norway as a half way house to try to please everyone.

So what’s going on?  Have Dan Hannan and Vote Leave suddenly decided to respect the 48% and push for a compromise model?  To give a reminder of those “existing arrangements”  (I’m using “Norway” as a shorthand here, technically this would be an EFTA/EEA agreement):

  1. Membership of the single market (only if regulations from the EU are accepted)
  2. Free movement of people
  3. EU Budget contribution
  4. More/less “sovereignty”, depending on your point of view

The problem of course is that these final 3 issues were the basis of the Vote Leave campaign.  Remainers would be happy but many Leavers not so much, especially over free movement (which has been labeled “mass uncontrolled immigration” by Vote Leave).

Still, at least Dan is fighting for compromise and some middle ground.  If he’s prepared to shift to a Norway model in recognition that “It may too far for some, it may not go far enough for others but something that both sides can at least live with.” then that’s to be admired as a a middle ground that Remainers AND Leavers should get behind.  Isn’t it?

Not quite.

 

Dan’s Long Term Plan

The problem is, this isn’t a late conversion by Dan Hannan,  this “compromise” (i.e. Norway model) was what Dan Hannan, and possibly much of the Vote Leave Leadership, wanted all along .  In fact on this video, on the “EFTA 4 UK” website (created in November 2015)  Dan talks about this model on a video from May 2016, long before the narrow result.  In it he states:

the Four countries (of the EFTA) are fully covered by the Four Freedoms of the single market, that is to say the movement of goods and services, of people and capital.

about 1 minute in.  In fact, far from being against free movement his tone is meant to reassure people, “Dont worry, this model still includes all four freedoms including movement of people”.

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Dan Hannan saying “It’s OK, we’ll still have free movement”

This initiative, which long predates the actual result, was an attempt to persuade the UK to adopt the EEA/EFTA model that Norway has.  There is a group called the Leave Alliance who have been pursuing a similar agenda for about 4 years.

So, lets be clear.  Immediately after the result, Dan Hannan was trying to use the 52/48% closeness of the result to get Remainers AND Leavers (and this is the important point) to align on a “compromise” that was in fact the solution he had been campaigning for for several months previously.  This could be judged as being fairly cynical.

 

It wasn’t just Dan though…

Well, OK, it’s somewhat sneaky of Dan Hannan to try to use the close result to push a “compromise” model that wasn’t actually a compromise at all from his point of view, but perhaps it was just him?  Well no, not really.  Boris Johnson said the following in this article in the Telegraph on the 26th June:

I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be. There will still be intense and intensifying European cooperation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment. EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.

British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market

Again, this is essentially describing the Norway model, nothing else would give us these benefits.  And Johnson’s economic adviser Dr Gerard Lyons also produced this report in March 2016 in which he said:

We decided to take a 20 year forecasting cycle….The second best option (of 4 scenarios) was in scenario “one regime, two systems” being outside and on good terms with the EU and globally focused

I’ve asked Dr Lyons to define what “on good terms” means, he’s yet to respond so after looking at the other options I’m going to assume this is also the Norway model.

OK, so certainly Dan Hannan, probably Johnson and possibly many others in Vote Leave wanted the Norway model, which does give us the ability to write our own trade deals.  Why not just say so and campaign on that basis?  Well, probably because “new trade deals” wouldn’t really be enough to get over 50% of the population to take the risk.

 

But what about Free Movement and stuff?

So hang on, didn’t Vote Leave promise to reduce immigration?  What about that bus that showed the millions being sent to the EU? They said that was for the NHS.  AND they kept talking about sovereignty, taking back control?

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How could they meet all those promises when in fact for most people EU membership and the Norway model are essentially the same?  Well, as said,  unfortunately,  “we can write new trade deals” just isn’t that interesting to the majority of voters.  Therefore the Norway model had to be made to look far more radical and appealing than it actually was.

To do this, initially Vote Leave chose to take non 2 issues and make them rallying cries, sovereignty and the EU budget contribution.  Later, in a massive gamble, they raised the profile of Immigration.

Sovereignty

Vote Leave put a lot of emphasis on “Getting our country back” however there’s “sovereignty” on paper and “sovereignty” in practice. In actual fact the UK is sovereign, was sovereign and has always been sovereign whereas the EU is not and can never be sovereign.  What we are actually talking about in the most part is trade law and regulations.

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In other words, in the EU the UK has a major say in policy but must accept the outcome of discussions.  Norway doesn’t have to accept anything, but if it wants to trade in certain areas it must accept the accompanying regulations and it has no say whatsoever in those regulations.  Although the estimates vary in exactly how much, in practice Norway accepts most regulations from the EU.

So, influence over 50% of your customer base vs being able to opt out of certain directives (but also certain markets).  Arguably the latter gives more “sovereignty” on paper whereas the former gives more “sovereignty” (or certainly influence) in practice.  However, Vote Leave obviously felt they could give a convincing “illusion” of increased sovereignty once Norway was adopted.

 

EU Budget Contribution

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No, it really, really doesn’t

This is covered in another post in greater detail.  Suffice to say the only practical difference between the Norway & UK contribution is our payment into the common agricultural policy (CAP).  Per capita we pay about the same net.  Shouting about a net saving of about £3B really wasn’t going to have much of an impact.  However, by ignoring the CAP mechanics and including the rebate that we never pay, Vote Leave would be able to make a £3 Billion saving look like £11 Billion under the Norway model.  There would still be a significant contribution from the UK but on paper it would look like that contribution had been “slashed” from £18 Billion to £7 Billion. Or in other words:

Great news, we’re now in the Norway model, rather than paying £8.5 Billion Net we now pay £5.5 Billion Net, it’s a great victory.  By the way we’ll now pay the £3B directly to the farmers as we are no longer getting cash from CAP so it’s still around £8.5 Billion in total….but it’s still great

is nowhere near as compelling as:

Great news, we’re now in the Norway model, rather than paying £18 Billion we now only pay £7 Billion, we’ve taken control of over £11 Billion of our money, it’s a great victory!

Again, the “illusion” of a massive saving rather than the rather dull reality of a small saving.

However, for Vote Leave these weren’t enough to swing the voters, so they looked to UKIP for inspiration.

 

Freedom of Movement and the Missing Promise

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Remember this?

And so we get to the final hurdle, freedom of movement.  How could Vote Leave promise to reduce immigration numbers if they were planning to move us into the Norway model?  Answer: they never did promise to reduce numbers.  They attacked the government over not meeting the 100K or less immigrants per year and talked about taking control via a points system, but not once did they actually promise to reduce immigration by any number whatsoever.  No google search will reveal any commitment by any Vote Leave leader to any reduction.

And this is confirmed by the video above from Newsnight, as Dan Hannan protests and says “I made it clear, do not expect a drastic reduction in numbers, it’s all on Youtube” to the obvious exasperation of Evan Davies.  Everyone thought Vote Leave were promising to reduce immigration numbers, they talked about pressure on jobs, housing and the NHS so surely this was their plan?  Cue:

the Four countries (of the EFTA) are fully covered by the Four Freedoms of the single market, that is to say the movement of goods and services, of people and capital.

as Dan Hannan said back in April.

 

So what was really going on?

Good question.  There are various interpretations but this seems as good as any to me.

Start of Campaign for Vote Leave

Firstly it’s important to state that most of the Vote Leave Leadership are free marketeers and as such they have no problem with immigration and had no intention to reduce it. Their primary aim was likely the gradual build up of new trade deals with the rest of the World whilst preserving our EU markets and, if those deals appeared, we would then gradually disentangle ourselves from all those pesky regulations around food safety and workers rights.

At least a few of them wanted something like Norway, probably because they knew like most informed people that cutting free of the EU immediately would be devastating to the UK economy.

They would therefore sell the benefits of additional free trade and use the complexity around sovereignty/influence and our CAP/EU Rebateset up to persuade (fool) people into thinking that the Norway option was the all round better deal.  They would play down the additional free trade stuff (even now many people don’t understand that Norway can sign its own deals) and play up sovereignty (by exaggerating EU influence over the UK) and our contribution to create the headline catching “£350 Million”.

The plan most likely was to sell these “Benefits”, win the referendum (or even narrowly lose it) and perform a fairly painless switch into the Norway model after the win.  There would likely be some token resistance from the EU but they would probably accept this switch for the stake of stability and away we would go.

 

What went wrong?

Unfortunately, free trade deals were not compelling enough, the £3350 million was being attacked and Leave did not want to be pinned down on a specific model. They had learned from the SNP who had presented a detailed plan for independence and been beaten over the head with it so they wanted to stay vague.  But this made it difficult to sell the vision.

And then they noticed that Nigel Farage was getting traction on Immigration.

 

The Immigration card

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So then Leave embarked on a dangerous game.  They couldn’t promise to reduce immigration numbers and stay with the Norway model, but they wanted to use the issue of immigration to swing the debate.  So they called on old stories of Immigrants putting pressure on houses, jobs etc, attacked the government over it’s failed 100K pledge, but carefully never made any commitments on reduction. It was a clever approach, make attacks on immigration numbers and impacts look like a commitment to address them.

Unfortunately they over played it.

 

Immediately after the result

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Victorious Leave Leadership

We’ll all remember the “victory conference” for Leave, and the looks on the faces of Stuart, Gove and Johnson in their moment of triumph.  They gave their speech and disappeared from view for 2 weeks. Dan Hannan then appeared and then attempted to use the closeness of the vote, not to appeal to Remainers, but to try to get Leavers to accept free movement.  Johnson even stated in his telegraph column “I cannot stress too much that Britain is a part of Europe” following the result:

It is said that those who voted Leave were mainly driven by anxieties about immigration. I do not believe that is so

Unfortunately for all of us, the immigration card was overplayed as was “control of our borders”.  Norway may be possible still, however the government now seems to think that some control on Immigration is a “requirement” of the British public.

 

So, Where Are We Now?

So, to summarize:

  • Certainly Dan Hannan MEP and probably a good number of Vote Leave wanted the Norway model as a stepping stone and always have.  They almost certainly knew that anything else, especially a hard Brexit, would be incredibly damaging for the UK.
  • To win however, they chose sovereignty, EU contribution and Immigration (rather than the actual benefits of the Norway model) as their rallying cries.
  • Unfortunately, although it’s possible to fudge the EU contribution and sovereignty picture, Norway means Freedom of movement and can’t be fudged.
  • Still, they managed to get through an entire campaign attacking the perceived “effects” of immigration without actually promising to do anything about it.
  • However, they didn’t forsee how Immigration would take off as the main issue.
  • Johnson and Hannan tried some damage limitation after the result, but unfortunately, the genie is out of the bottle.  Norway is relatively easy to sell to remainers but now very difficult to sell to a large number of Leavers.

As a side note, if Vote Leave couldn’t promise to reduce immigration, then why talk about “pressures” on the NHS, housing,. jobs etc?  If Immigration was going to stay the same, then all those “pressures” would also stay the same after leaving the EU.

So we’re in a bit of a mess.  Many leave voters now believe that we can either

  1. get a deal with the EU that doesn’t include free movement or, worse
  2. strike up deals immediately with new countries and leave the EU without significant problems.

Unfortunately, however, neither are feasible, and everyone in charge knows it.  The current pause in government activity is not just about working out what the UK wants, but in determining how on earth they can meet the impossible, reducing or eliminating free movement without causing huge damage to the economy.  The government is trying to reconcile impossible expectations against reality, knowing that if they try to meet those expectations the UK will suffer significant damage with no guarantee of a recovery given how long it actually takes to sign new trade deals.

And the Brexiteers can’t help because either they don’t understand the problem or they wanted the Norway model anyway, which they have now made very difficult to sell to the Leave Voters.

However, they also set unrealistic expectations about our place in the world and how easy it would be to disengage from the EU, and worse, they gave the impression that the UK could force the EU into accepting “free trade” without “free movement”.

 

If you are a remainer reading this, you’ll share my frustration at a huge game gone wrong.

If you are a Leaver, unfortunately Vote Leave painted a picture that quite simply many of them didn’t believe in.  Many of the Leadership as free marketeers never cared about immigration and nor did they believe that we could simply leave the EU without significant problems. Put simply, they did not and do not believe in the “vision” many of you support.  This is why they have largely disappeared.  Perhaps it’s time to move to the middle.

And the $1M question for both sides, if Vote Leave had campaigned on “We want a Norway type model rather than full EU membership”, would they have won?  Probably not.

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30 thoughts on “What did Dan Hannan MEP & Vote Leave actually want?

  1. This is the biggest mess a political party has done to its own country in recent times. When will they learn to put country before their party political games. We should never have had to vote on something we understand little about. Weak MP’s breeds disaster.

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  2. A really interesting piece, like you I’ve been wondering about Hannan’s support for free movement and thought of another conclusion – that he doesn’t matter as much in the Leave camp as we think he does, but that they tolerate him as a colourful character who sometimes goes out on a limb.

    Or, that there were, as we always guessed, a lot of tensions under the surface in the Leave camp but they were focused on winning and kept their eye on the end goal.

    Clearly a lot of top Leavers are very, very bothered about freedom of movement and see it as a red line, for example check out IDS’s Sun piece from the weekend – https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1646498/iain-duncan-smith-says-the-referendum-was-not-a-suggestion-we-have-to-leave-eu-now-and-respect-brexit/ – it’s the kind of piece that could have been written in June – “look at those Europeans taking your jobs in cahoots with the metropolitan elite!”

    Hannan has been relatively quiet about the whole free movement thing over the past month, it could well be that he’ll happily toss the idea overboard.

    Personally I think we should call his bluff. Rather than bait him on social media, which he loves, let’s take him up on what he said back in June, “ok Dan let’s talk about those compromises you say need to be made”, and let him then explain them to his followers

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    1. I suppose though I do wonder, I mean IDS has decided to become a warrior of the lower paid and maybe he really is. I did detect much to my amazement some sincerity when he resigned over the salami slicing of benefits. So maybe he does care about immigration. I just can’t see that many free marketeers would be that bothered by it, it doesn’t impact them and its more labour for growth so why would they push back. Of course what they care about and what they publicly care about could be two different things.
      But ultimately you are right, do we on Remain fight for “Remain” or fight for Norway, or at least the subset of Norway we passionately want to keep? I’m just not sure of what we could strip away. Going to take the lazy option here and throw it back to you because I’m still playing catch up.
      What do you think are the major attributes on the table? What could be up for negotiation and of course what baubles (such as Blue passports) could satisfy Leavers?

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      1. I think the starting point has to be what the Leavers claim the EU to be, a “European Superstate”

        What does a state have? Citizenship (Daniel Hannan talks about this all the time), passports, a flag, a parliament, and central budget contributions.

        Leavers want all those to go. The passport and flag don’t really matter and most people didn’t vote in European Parliamentary elections anyway.

        The sticking point I imagine would be two things, the budget and freedom of movement.

        On freedom of movement, Daniel Hannan’s semantics are actually useful. Freedom of Movement is a very loaded term thanks to years of tabloid coverage.

        Freedom of Labour sounds better even if it’s basically the same thing. Actually I might start calling it that myself from today.

        On the budget, it’s not technically true that there’s a Single Market Membership fee – https://twitter.com/_SimonBarnett/status/767406282928160768

        Norway does of course pay for access to various programmes I can imagine that wouldn’t be too contentious. It also has the Norway Grants which is a form of foreign aid. I guess it would be highly recommended we do this, but again the positioning and the optics are important – ‘voluntary’. (even though I can already see the Mail headline in 2022, “Your tax money – wasted on beach volleyball classes in Albania”)

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  3. The disconnect between the pro-globalists running the campaign and the anti-globalist voters who responded to their call is staggering. You discussed that in an earlier piece. The Leave voters expect immigration to be curbed and they are waiting to hear when this is going to happen (they are less bothered about how it is going to happen). Unless and until Davis, Johnson, Fox (and ultimately May) tell them, they are not going to settle. The Government needs to be pressed on this mercilessly. Invoking Article 50 is bad enough, but invoking it whilst the Leave voters are clamouring for promises on immigration really would be fighting a war on two fronts, and encourage further delay to the process.

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  4. ‘Norway’ model is, effectively, EU membership without a seat at the table. What’s the point? Better, surely, to remain and agitate for change from within.

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    1. Hi Ken, can talk properly here rather than on Twitter!

      Absolutely agree. Firstly, should have been honest debate about Norway – which is essentially Freedom to do our own trade deals vs Seat at the table. But we never had that, we just had noise instead.

      Secondly, if that debate had been had, then IMHO an honest assessment of the amount of influence we have in the EU, against the possibility of new trade deals that may or may not appear would have led us to the conclusion “Yes, maybe there is a brave new world out there, but probably not, and our best option is to maintain our significant influence “agitate from within” as you said.

      The irony is of course, for those who say they value “sovereignty” over everything, they would not be able to stomach the handing down of edicts in the Norway model, the UK in effect being a “2nd class” EU member. Our national pride wouldn’t stand it.

      I understand the Norway model, I accept its benefits, but for me, like you, EU Membership is better.

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  5. This is a really solid analysis and i appreciate your putting Hannan under pressure as he has been very slippery since the vote. However I think in this kind of writing not enough is said about UKIP and Leave.EU who were instrumental in pushing the immigration agenda (with none of the responsibilities that would have come with victory). Indeed farage accused the official campaign of focusing too little on immigration as an issue. The picture is even more fractious, as you have written elsewhere – the 52% is actually several blocs. You’d be hard pressed however to find a majority in Britain who would vote for a hard brexit, regardless of what Farage and Banks are now peddling

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    1. Hi Frank you spotted my deliberate mistake!…I’ve deliberately stayed away from Leave.EU and UKIP and you’ve highlighted why. They could happily push the immigration agenda full steam ahead because they weren’t and aren’t looking for responsibility, just perhaps for some extra seats.

      I wanted to focus here on a clear message, that many in Vote Leave do not care about immigration or see it as a benefit, but they allowed themselves to be dragged in UKIPs wake (or possibly thought they could make use of Farage without consequence).

      The message is for more “Moderate” leavers to say “look, no one sane thinks hard Brexit is a good idea so what have you voted for?”

      I keep putting off the “populism and democracy” blog to highlight exactly “(with none of the responsibilities that would have come with victory)” because its hard, and needs a lot of research. But I will get around to it.

      Suffice to say (and this might go down badly) IMHO you can draw a line between UKIP, the Leave campaign, Trump but also Corbyn and even Syriza in Greece – its all populist, its all tell people what they want to hear in order to get power.

      But as you can imagine, that would be a tricky blog…

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    1. Thanks! I kind of knew that Vote Leave didn’t give a number..and I saw the piece on Newsnight the night after. But it wasn’t until I wrote this blog that I fully realised he had been pushing for Norway model all along.

      You start putting the pieces together and either it all makes sense or I’m due for a tin foil hat, not sure which

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  6. Can I just add to the discussion that Jim Pickard of the FT reported on 19th May that the official Vote Leave campaign targeted Punjabi, Hindi and Urdu speakers with leaflets and media messages arguing that a British exit from the EU would help to stem the flow of Eastern Europeans into the UK, allowing more incomers from Commonwealth countries to take their place. Vote Leave chair Gisela Stuart and Vote Leave spokesperson Priti Patel were vocal proponents of this argument.

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  7. The “Norway model” may be the least worst form of Brexit – but it is anti-democratic. Essentially we would continue to pay into the EU budget and accept free movement while losing any say in the regulations that we commit to accept. Far from ‘taking back control’, in other words, we would cede it – becoming rule-takers instead of rule-makers. It would be much better to admit that the Brexit vote was a disaster, and to find a way back from it. I still hope that Parliament (which was overwhelmingly for Remain) can find the courage to reassert its authority, and to halt this country’s dangerous slide towards plebiscitary democracy.

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  8. Massive fail from our government, not only the Leavers.
    Does government-as-we-know-it still have a future?
    The answer is, it depends. If politicians die the death and make room for administrators, Britain plc has a fair chance. Otherwise, politicians-as-we-know-them can only cling to power through populist isolationism.
    This is what is happening with Wrexit: populist and grossly incompetent at anything but purveying sewer-scented hot air, our so-called representatives are trying to eliminate the competition.
    The European Union, by its very nature, cannot be populist – and this is true of any international regulatory body. Populist politicians don’t stand a chance in it, except as Samsonite-carrying Samsons, pulling down a prosperous country around their feet and foolishly hoping to rule as blind tyrants.
    Our politicians, Left and Right, hate the European Union; it is what stands between them – scions of public schools and union halls alike – and business as usual. Some are better at pretending than others, and therein lies the danger.

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